“Obsession creates certainty.” - Brodie Kern
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How do you deal with pain? Some people meditate, workout, or read, while others turn to alcohol or other substances. How you deal with pain often stems from your childhood programming. Fortunately, you have the power to not only change your identity, but to take the negative labels you’ve been given, embrace them, and make them work for you.
After overdosing three times, three days in a row, Brodie Kern realized that it was time to turn his life around before things took a turn for the worst. After deciding to embrace his addictive, obsessive and passionate mindset and turn it into something positive, he ventured out to become a successful real estate agent and merchant accounts advisor.
Last year, Brodie recognized that none of his accomplishments would have been possible if it wasn’t for learning how to master himself. He realized that if he could turn his life around, he could help others do the very same thing.
Today, Brodie is a world renowned serial entrepreneur, CEO of Wake Up Wealthy, and real-estate investor that has impacted the lives of thousands of young professionals across the world.
On this episode of the #IAmMovement podcast, Brodie and I discuss the link between pain, addiction, and substance abuse, the inner narrative when dealing with addiction, and how Wake Up Wealthy is helping young entrepreneurs master the art of business.
00:00 – Intro to Brodie
02:10 – Addiction and pain
05:08 – The inner narrative
06:35 – To belong, to matter, to connect
08:20 – Brodie’s ‘programers’
11:35 – Overcoming addiction
16:00 – The power of your identity
20:55 – Be obsessed or be average
22:40 – Wake up wealthy
24:25 – Forgiveness
27:00 – More than just a coaching program
30:45 – Brodie’s key mentors
34:12 – Connect with Brodie
“Stay sober one day at a time, you don’t have to stay sober for 32 years, you just have to make it until you go to sleep tonight.” – Brodie Kern
“Wealthy is a way of life.” – Brodie Kern
“The mindset of an alcoholic doesn’t have to be a bad thing, it’s something that I embraced.” – Brodie Kern
“At any level that I can serve someone, even if it is in a brief conversation, or having someone share their story with me because they can’t share it with anyone else, I’m there to listen. – Brodie Kern
Rock Thomas: Hey, welcome to another edition of the #IAMMovement podcast.
Rock Thomas: Where we really look at people’s programming and we rip it open and decide with you and with my guests, whether the past labels are serving them or enslaving them.
Rock Thomas: And today’s guest has had a storied past battling alcoholism and drug addiction at a very young age.
Rock Thomas: His parents were both 17 when they had them. You can imagine that the programming at that stage was a little wonky. And a little bit off and he recovered and he went through that process and now he’s got a really cool mission and vision where he wants to help other young men.
Rock Thomas: Wake up and become wealthy and that’s his get the group that he operates. So I’m, I’m really fascinated by people that have in a short period of time.
Rock Thomas: Move toward a spiritual journey and understand that it’s all about software. The software in our brain.
Rock Thomas: So he’s come up with some I am statements. I am here to lead young men to inner and outer freedom and have a responsibility to do so. His favorite quote is the present is the futures past
Rock Thomas: So please help me welcome to today’s #IAMMovement podcast: Brodie Kern
Brodie Kern: Yeah, and I’m excited to be here. It takes a little while to put the deal together just do some scheduling conflicts, but, uh, you know, man. I’m pumped.
Brodie Kern: I’m really excited about the job. You’re a
Rock Thomas: busy guy. So we appreciate you.
Rock Thomas: Being here. And I think that the listeners are in for a treat because
Rock Thomas: You know addictions are something that we all have with you admitted or not. And I grew up in a difficult environment and you know I have. I’ve tried all the addictions, you know, workaholism gossip.
Rock Thomas: Pornography drugs, the whole thing and it was just to get myself out of pain. Let’s talk a little bit about your journey through that cycle.
Brodie Kern: Yeah, absolutely. Man, and you know you hit the nail on the head when you said, Everybody, everybody has things that they go to and sedation comes in a lot of different forms. Right. It’s all all stuff I have battled with
Brodie Kern: At a very high level and it was because I had a lot of pain. I had, you know, two households growing up. One was very one was very normal very stable and one was very turbulent
Brodie Kern: And that contrasts, you know, maybe very confused as a young man and leading into my late teens and early 20s.
Brodie Kern: I had become very dependent on hard drugs and alcohol because of all the pain that I possessed and I didn’t know who I was and it gave me. It gave me an identity. It gave me a place where I fit in in a place where I was very, you know, good at something.
Brodie Kern: But what I didn’t realize it was going on at that time is that I was just, I was sedating it’s such a such a high level that there was
Brodie Kern: There was no time or space created for me to understand myself or to learn or to grow and you know as the story of hard drugs, alcohol abuse goes you know my body started to deteriorate the progression that most alcoholics and addicts take over 4050 years I didn’t five
Rock Thomas: Wow on break that down a bit, you talked about your identity and this is a show about identity, you said you fit in and you are good at something. What were you, what were you good at, where you are a leader of a game where you’re part of a group. What do you mean by that?
Brodie Kern: Well, me and I was just a, you know, on the outside. I was this normal kid. You know what I mean. I played sports growing up.
Brodie Kern: And then when I went to college. You know, I joined a fraternity and all of these things and
Brodie Kern: Going out and being like alcohol and drugs allowed me to be very social. They also brought out the very outspoken and charismatic version of myself.
Brodie Kern: And they allowed me to hide all of the negative things and I could choose just one area of my personality, where it would shut
Brodie Kern: Right. And so, you know, I could go into a bar. I could go into a party. I could go into any sort of place and under the influence for a long time until things started to get bad
Brodie Kern: I could run a grip. You know what I mean like I was always, I was always taking control of what was going on in social situations, and it gave me. It gave me light.
Rock Thomas: Yeah. So what was the inner narrative that was going on for you. What was the, the non charismatic or the non full of liquid courage guys saying to himself. What was your identity?
Brodie Kern: So it progressed over the years from the time I was about 17 to what I would to rehab at 21
Brodie Kern: But it was all the same. It just progressed in magnitude but the time that I wasn’t under the influence. You know, I really struggled with it.
Brodie Kern: Uncertainty like I had no idea where I was going. What I was capable of who I was supposed to become I was trying to follow this pattern.
Brodie Kern: That I thought I was supposed to do, which was like, you know, go to school, get a job, everybody around me seem to be doing it and they were relatively happy and
Brodie Kern: I started to realize that it wasn’t for me. But I was so I didn’t have the confidence to step out onto my own path.
Brodie Kern: And so I continue to live out of alignment with, you know what I later found out who I was supposed to become but huge feelings of unworthiness massive insecurities really comparing my really really focusing on how I was being perceived and never how I perceive myself.
Rock Thomas: So one of the things that I’ve learned over time is that people want to belong. They want to connect and they want to know that they matter.
Rock Thomas: And especially us men, we need a place where we can go win, which really personifies those things. So when you’re running a room, you have all of that right you belong. You matter and you’re connecting. Would you agree with that?
Brodie Kern: Yeah, absolutely. The reason I went there is because, I mean, dude. I wasn’t, I wasn’t the smartest guy, I wasn’t like the most talented guy. I didn’t really have anything else going for me and I
Rock Thomas: THOUGHT WERE SO YOU SAW
Brodie Kern: So I thought, totally put it in the container in which I lived and the context that I chose to look at. That was my area where I was the best
Rock Thomas: I’m guessing you’re probably pretty good at sports, too, though.
Brodie Kern: Yeah, I was good at sports totally but you know in part of the deal like
Brodie Kern: I chose not to go play college baseball because I wanted to, I wanted to go to school and party. They figured out that I really loved the social scene by that time. But what I didn’t understand what’s going to happen is, in the absence of sports and structure came, you know,
Brodie Kern: Yeah, chaos, because they’re moving away to go to college. There was all of a sudden, all this time and all this choice and up until that point.
Brodie Kern: Everything had really been chosen you know what i mean i chose to play baseball. But it took a huge part of my day, I was going to school. Then I had all these choices of what I do with my time. Like, I don’t have to go to class. Right. And so I always went to the thing that seemed fun
Rock Thomas: Yeah, totally understandable and they say the idle mind is the devil’s workshop. So, you know, you got yourself into trouble because you had time on your hands. Let’s talk a little bit about the programmers in your life.
Brodie Kern: Yeah, absolutely. So you know both of my parents were 17 when they had me
Brodie Kern: And
Brodie Kern: They were never together. And so I had a lot of really different conditioning coming in.
Brodie Kern: My mother was an alcoholic and a drug addict my entire time growing up and my father. You know, he worked his ass off. He created the best life that he could
Brodie Kern: And he, you know, really was a great parent, but he himself even, you know, now it’s like he had never been exposed to any sort of personal Nobody in my life had been exposed to any sort of personal development.
Brodie Kern: Aside from my father on both sides of my family. Everyone was addicts and alcoholics.
Brodie Kern: And it was just there it was total survival mode right total scarcity mode. I was programmed with a really negative relationship with money really big and really like a really unrealistic viewpoint of how the world worked
Brodie Kern: And just
Brodie Kern: The conversation of possibility was never really a thing. You know, it was like this is, you know, this is it. It was never we were never. It was never talked about right. All I did was spectate how they lived. And through that I had my context for what reality would be
Rock Thomas: You said they didn’t live together. No.
Brodie Kern: No, so you
Rock Thomas: Did you go back and forth, or how did that.
Brodie Kern: I went back and forth. And so that was that was part of the confusion as a child.
Brodie Kern: Because I, my dad got remarried, or I guess married for the first time. My parents were never married
Brodie Kern: But my dad got married when I was young ish like seven or eight
Brodie Kern: And that household was very stable, like we didn’t talk about you know my dad never been exposed to personal development wasn’t super successful at that time, but like they were there was no chaos. There was no turbulence like there was a lot of love.
Brodie Kern: in that household and then my other household
Brodie Kern: My mother was functioning. So she was. She was a nurse and she she had really good job and worked really hard, but then she would come home, she would go out, I saw
Brodie Kern: All sorts of terrible stuff she was really mentally, physically abusive. And so I had tended in my mind somewhere. When I was young, if I was better. My mom wouldn’t drink.
Brodie Kern: And that’s where the feeling of unworthiness started to really manifest itself because I had set those conditions and those bounds and the way that that feeling of inadequacy or unworthiness developed over time it was everything that led me to my addiction.
Rock Thomas: Mom, so your how’s your relationship with your mom now.
Brodie Kern: Um, it is as good as it can be, like, it is a work in progress at all times, we still, you know, and me going through a day and working through a lot of stuff with her.
Brodie Kern: You know it is. It’s a relationship. It’s workable. There was a long time where it wasn’t. I have come about for years. Once I, you know, was I was an early adult
Rock Thomas: So let’s talk a little bit about
Rock Thomas: How you were able to overcome this addiction, because you had an identity and this is the crux of this. This podcast is
Rock Thomas: We all get programmed and generally by people that did the best they could with what they had, they just had shitty programs for themselves and they developed a filter to see the world.
Rock Thomas: It would they could do. They were trying to get out of their own pain and set around
Rock Thomas: The downloaded, like you said you witnessed, their way of living and you took on what else you are supposed to do.
Rock Thomas: If your parents ate with their hands, you would probably eat with your hands. It’s just, you don’t know any better, right, we’re vulnerable that way. But as you get older, you start to realize that this addiction was not working right.
Rock Thomas: And so tell us a little bit about some of those glimpses into that when you start to realize this is not functioning long term.
Brodie Kern: So what really started to happen is you know with drugs and alcohol come massive depression and anxiety.
Brodie Kern: And all of this would compound every single day. And on top of this you mentioned that I took a really fast progression as an alcoholic. My body was shutting down. I couldn’t
Brodie Kern: I couldn’t drink or do the amounts of drugs that I couldn’t before. And I started ending up in the hospital a lot and whether it be overdose, or like some other you know random scenario but the year that I was 21
Brodie Kern: Was 2015 and late 2014 early 2015 you know I overdosed six times and three of which being three days in a row in early 2015 and I just came to a realization that I was going to die.
Brodie Kern: It was a miracle that I hadn’t. I had already lost some friends and in a moment of clarity, you know, I was just looking back, just as easily on this third day of me waking up in the hospital in restraints. I thought
Brodie Kern: Maybe there’s another way. You know what I mean. And I just as easily because I’ve done it time and time again. I just decided that like
Brodie Kern: It was time to go to rehab. You know, I have known that I was an alcoholic for probably two years there was never any
Brodie Kern: There was never any denial or question of that like I, you know, it was just very, very prevalent. Like if I didn’t drink out, get the shakes like
Brodie Kern: And so a brief moment of clarity. I got calling to check myself into rehab and this is this was the catalyst right because getting exposed to the program of a you learn something power powerful and that is that is granularity like
Brodie Kern: The other cliche saying in one day at a time. Right. And I remember I was in, I was in a day or I was in rehab and I went to my first meeting it was a 28 day inpatient rehab treatment center. And so, you know, we went off site. We went to an a, a meeting and you know at this point I’m
Brodie Kern: 10 days sober and
Brodie Kern: A guy there picked up a chip with 32 years sober and I came back from that meeting. And I remember just panicking about Holy, holy shit, man. How am I going to stay sober for 32 years? I bawled my eyes out. It was a really emotional experience.
Brodie Kern: And luckily, you know, one of the other guys sat down with me. And he was just like, dude, please pay attention to the literature like you
Brodie Kern: Stay Sober one day at a time. He’s like, you don’t have to stay so 32 years. You just have to make it till you go to sleep tonight.
Brodie Kern: And that was a huge, huge breakthrough moment for me because understanding how to break things down to today.
Brodie Kern: And that, you know, this came to benefit me in a lot of ways. Later in business, in my body and everything that I was doing getting down into the moment
Brodie Kern: I’m with Super Value. But as far as making the transition, you know it was that breakthrough. It was that one day at a time mindset because I was there, I didn’t have my phone.
Brodie Kern: Every single day that I got sober. I got a little more confidence. I got a little more clarity. I mean, dude. I remember even
Brodie Kern: As far as like six months over being like, wow, I thought I was clear three months ago now. I’m super clear
Rock Thomas: Um, yeah, it’s amazing you and I talked a little bit of before the show about this whole world around know the IM statements and one of the things that
Rock Thomas: You know, say, Muhammad Ali. I am the greatest right like he made these declarations and they were signals of performance to his nervous system.
Rock Thomas: And any great athlete usually has a mantra for themselves like I’m great under pressure, or whatever it is.
Rock Thomas: And they’re signaling a directive because this force of making we have a desire to remain consistent with how we describe ourselves.
Rock Thomas: If you describe yourself if you think you’re an alcoholic or in your case, when you went to parties, you have this identity you developed of, you know, I’m like, when I show up the party begins or something like that. Right.
Rock Thomas: Right. Kelly and people were expecting you to command the room to be funny or or whatever it was. And so you felt pressure to be that guy, which enhanced the desire to drink. Is that accurate?
Brodie Kern: Or said yep
Rock Thomas: So you have that identity.
Rock Thomas: But in a way, what shocks me is, and I get the psychology is it’s admitting that I can’t do this on my own. Right. I am an alcoholic. I need God’s help. I need other people’s help. I need help with a support group.
Rock Thomas: But what confuses me is how about saying something like, you know, I used to be an alcoholic. Why, why do you think that they don’t say that.
Brodie Kern: It is a really interesting argument and you know I’ve spoken with hundreds of guys like you who are very deep into personal development very powerful around
Brodie Kern: You know, the topic of conditioning and programming and understanding the IM statement and there’s a debate to be had there. There really is.
Brodie Kern: But not for me. Let me tell you what I mean. So
Brodie Kern: The mindset behind why they do that is because they say that alcoholism is kind of cunning, baffling and powerful and you know they have this saying that like while you’re in the room getting sober. Your addictions out in the parking lot doing pushups.
Brodie Kern: And I’ve experienced this to be true and I watched it because I had a I had
Brodie Kern: A five ish month relapse after the first time I went to a and it was significantly more turbulent than the time before and over my course in a day. You know, every single time I watch someone relapse and go back out into the world using
Brodie Kern: They come back worse than they did the first time, there’s this thing about it. A in rehab that takes all the fun out of doing drugs and drinking. You know what I mean. And the reason that they still identify as alcoholics.
Brodie Kern: Is to remind themselves.
Brodie Kern: Of how powerless. They are the second that you forget. The mind of the alcoholic is like I said cunning, baffling and powerful. There are times where it will try to convince me that I can drink, that I can handle it, that I can do that and remembering that and living by the steps.
Brodie Kern: It’s just the only known solution to work overtime and over the masses. And so you get into this, you get into this really sticky.
Brodie Kern: Conversation of how there may be a better way to optimize this program. Yes. But when you go to change it. When you go to change the system that is working, you are putting tons of lives at risk.
Brodie Kern: Because for almost 100 years now. It’s worked. Now, when we’re talking about identifying as an alcoholic. For some people, that probably would benefit them to not considered themselves alcoholic I’m
Brodie Kern: Outside of that debate that I just said right but like in the context of this podcast and like how we talked like
Brodie Kern: Yeah, it doesn’t seem, it doesn’t seem that beneficial to identify as an alcoholic. But I’ll tell you. I’ll tell you what, here’s my thought and why I said in the beginning, it’s not. There’s not a debate to be had for me.
Brodie Kern: The thing that I am most grateful for, to this day, is the fact that I possess the disease of alcoholism. It has been my edge for forever and my obsessive nature my
Brodie Kern: The way that I charge different task or goals or obstacles in my life is unlike anyone I know because I always told myself, if I go to the same lights to be successful and to help people that I would to get loaded
Brodie Kern: It’s game over. You know what I mean, alcoholism, the mindset of an alcoholic.
Brodie Kern: It doesn’t have to be a bad thing. And it was something that I embraced, you know, moderation was a word. I remember hearing from a very young age, because I was always obsessive I was always intense
Brodie Kern: And I think that the narrative probably needs to be changed a little bit around what it means to be an alcoholic. Yeah.
Rock Thomas: Well, if you know Grant Cardone talks about being obsessed or the average. And I love that sentence because it’s about it’s maybe justification for people like you and I, that have addictive personalities.
Rock Thomas: For me, I’m either all in, or I’m all fucking out like I’m not interested in dabbling
Rock Thomas: I want to be completely invested, if I do something playing golf or if I’m building a business. I want to be the best. I want to go hard. I want to learn every detail.
Rock Thomas: And that’s part of the personality. And I think people like you and I are susceptible to alcoholism or to something else. Because of that tendency. Does that make sense?
Brodie Kern: Yeah. Hundred percent. And I mean, here’s the thing I love about the conversation of obsession.
Brodie Kern: When you’re obsessed you throw emotion you throw limiting belief you throw even logic sometimes to the wayside because of your obsession to create certainty.
Brodie Kern: Right, and sometimes unreasonable certainty and you and I both there’s i’m sure plays that we have made in business that you know an infinite number of people would have said, Why are you doing that.
Rock Thomas: Yeah, yeah, there’s no question, but I like what you said there that obsession cred certainty. I’ve never heard of it. Put that way. It’s really, really powerful.
Rock Thomas: It and certainty is what so many people lack. It’s almost like anger also creates certainty, but it’s usually not for the greater good. Right.
Rock Thomas: But obsession creates certainty. Now, that’s a different store thing. I think I like that. Like, I’m going to use that in your intro, buddy. That’s great.
Brodie Kern: Love it, love it.
Rock Thomas: Look, let’s talk a little bit about your mission right what what you’re all about is helping young men. Tell us a little bit about that.
Brodie Kern: Yeah, and I mean really, if we break down what our mission is to liberate men from the condition of ego and to help them cultivate the power and purpose necessary to smash life in business.
Brodie Kern: Like that is the ethos of what wake up wealthy is, you know, we are just like this podcast and just like you and I spoke about before this podcast.
Brodie Kern: It’s really breaking down conditioning and upload like wiping the software clean and uploading a new software, a set of spiritual principles to live and operate by
Brodie Kern: Inside of the game of life and inside of the game of business and, you know, over the course of 150 young male entrepreneurs that we’ve worked with over the last 18 months we have been able to really refine a process that is repeatable.
Brodie Kern: And my mission now man is to get it in the hands of as many young people.
Brodie Kern: The young men who can pass I possibly can in my time on this earth because there’s so much unnecessary pain going on.
Brodie Kern: Out there and so many people with infinite potential. And when I think about the ripple effect of the work that we do.
Brodie Kern: You know, we help one man who helps his family and helps his employees to help their families. I truly believe that the work that I’ve started here can have a global impact.
Rock Thomas: I agree with you. Hundred percent I think when you heal. One person they’re part of an ecosystem of a family that gets a ripple effect.
Rock Thomas: And the new better father becomes, you know, less fucked up kids and you know nothing against our parents, but our parents gave us programming that was somewhat neglectful, etc. And if you have two parents at 17 let’s face it, you’re not prepared to be a parent.
Rock Thomas: That’s really unfair, you know. Have you done any landmark work?
Brodie Kern: Now I’m not familiar with what that is.
Rock Thomas: It’s great stuff. You can check out landmarks, but in this class. They do a three a three day session on the. Think of the last day. They have everybody in the room, stand up. That’s 25 years and younger.
Rock Thomas: Now, most of you that are older, like say myself and my 50s. They go, that’s the age of your parents. That was the age of your parents when they add you
Rock Thomas: And it’s just so graphic that you’re like, I wouldn’t want that kid over there. The 22 year old kid being my parents.
Rock Thomas: Like it doesn’t even know what they’re doing but it hits you, you’re like oh my god I’m mad at my parents. I’m blaming my parents because it is a shitty job. But if I was apparent at 22 or 17 I would have messed up a bunch of shit, too.
Rock Thomas: And then they go into a whole forgiveness process. And you’re like, Oh my God, yeah. It’s true. They didn’t have the tools. So how have you done in the area? Forget forgiveness with your, with your folks.
Brodie Kern: Yeah, you know, I’ll tell you one of the one of the biggest breakthrough moments I had around the way that I view my relationship with my mother is, you know, when you’re doing your for Stephanie a
Brodie Kern: They try to support seven A is where, you know, you take a fearless and searching moral inventory. Right. You make a list of all people that you had harmed and everything that you know happened.
Brodie Kern: And they try to get you to find your part in this situation. And so, you know, when I was working with my sponsor. I was really
Brodie Kern: Resistant to this idea when it came to the conversation of my mother. I’m like, look, I didn’t do anything here. You know what I mean like I got the short end of the stick and in
Brodie Kern: Very many ways that’s true. But what I came to realize is that also. I didn’t want to when I was a kid, but I didn’t want my mom to stop drinking because she was in pain.
Brodie Kern: I wanted her to stop drinking, because I was in pain and because it was embarrassing for me to the people in my life.
Brodie Kern: Um, and looking at that. It really helped me understand the amount of pain that my mom was in and and the this like I didn’t have the full scope of what was going on in the way that I viewed the situation and it allowed me to really forgive
Rock Thomas: That’s awesome. So tell, tell me a little bit. How does the program work for these young people, where do you find the moment is it is a year long. Is it months? Is it online? Give us some background so we can know the type of person that can benefit from it.
Brodie Kern: Yeah, so when we’re talking about the wake of all the brotherhood of man like there is like the interesting thing about like about it is that
Brodie Kern: It’s more than just some coaching program. It’s more than just, you know, grow your income learn this learn that
Brodie Kern: Wealthy is a way of life and it’s an idea. And so when guys come into it. They are joining a group of high level individuals, six and seven figure male entrepreneurs who
Brodie Kern: They’re all living the exact same way on the same set of principles like my life was heavily influenced by the mechanics of how a works and how powerful it hit become
Brodie Kern: And I had to build a process that gave young ambitious men, a place to do the same thing that I had done there. And, you know, so we, the way
Brodie Kern: Wealthiest delivered. If everybody starts with our 90 day program their induction into the wake up all the Brotherhood. And so, you know, they’ve got 24 hours of
Brodie Kern: Video content core side of things, actionable resources. This is the indoctrination of what it means to live this way of life. It’s called the mastery method.
Brodie Kern: And living the mastery method is the embodiment of what it means to be a wake up call it, brother. We do group coaching calls a week. We have you know tons of our guys there.
Brodie Kern: Talking about topics going through their problems in myself and the other coaches on my team really creates break down like break down breakthrough in real time.
Brodie Kern: And then, you know, everybody also gains access to the Brotherhood through that.
Brodie Kern: And so when guys start getting we got guys partner up in there, start businesses. We’ve had guy. I mean, being at each other’s weddings, like all sorts of crazy shit right and it’s because we’ve created a space where vulnerability is an environment where transparency is a requirement.
Brodie Kern: For membership and so when you watch men do that, who have known what they come in and they share stuff that they can’t share with their wives.
Brodie Kern: They can’t share with their business partners, they can’t share with anyone else. And it’s what makes the energy inside of this thing. So electric
Brodie Kern: And
Brodie Kern: Once they come in, you know, there’s a lot of different pathways that we have created now in our time with the wealthy. I mean, we move into we
Brodie Kern: Move into a couple different styles of events which if you hit like one event that we just did in launches called the fall of experience. It’s a two day almost navy seal style boot camp.
Brodie Kern: It’s a 48 hour immersive experience where everything is brought out. It is very intense, you know, physical breakdown so that you can have emotional breakthroughs.
Brodie Kern: And, you know, evolve evolve graduates, they get to go, come back in lead evolve. They get to move on to a higher level program.
Brodie Kern: And so we’re always creating Ascension pathways for guys to go into with the ultimate because some guys come in.
Brodie Kern: And they, you know, they have their business, but they start living this way of life and they start experiencing the feeling that comes from this kind of change and they want more of it. Right. And so, you know,
Brodie Kern: A percentage of our guys want to end up becoming coaches with our stuff. And so, you know, we’re creating models for them to go out and coach our stuff on their own and really scale this because I don’t care if it’s me spreading this message. I just needed to get to more people. Right.
Rock Thomas: That’s awesome. Well congratulations on that. That’s really high level work.
Rock Thomas: Who are some of your key mentors.
Rock Thomas: In your life.
Brodie Kern: They’ve changed over time. Obviously, I mean, so before I started to wake up a wealthy man, you know, I started out in the real estate space.
Brodie Kern: I was a pretty successful young solo agent and one of my first mentors and in the real estate space was very dialed on personal development and she really helped me. She’s one of the biggest agents in the Midwest and she really helped me
Brodie Kern: helped me grow and helped me understand personal development. Help me understand what I was capable of at such a crucial time in my life also my first sponsor and he he was
Brodie Kern: He was very successful in business as well in the call center space and that you know it’s actually after I left real estate. I got into the call center space.
Brodie Kern: And then, you know, kicked out there for a while and then when I got out of that none of that work was fulfilling me and that’s why I started waking up wealthy, but since my time. Then I mean, dude. I have
Brodie Kern: Invested in infinite programs. You know what I mean and coaches, but it’s some guys that like I haven’t worked directly with that have created a lot of change in my life. Garrett Jay white is one. Do you know who he is?
With wake up warriors.
Brodie Kern: Garrett Jay white. It has been a huge influence in my life. And a lot of the mentors that I’ve had in the last couple years have been products.
Brodie Kern: Garrett Jay white in his programs and obviously you know Tony Robbins made a huge impact in the face that I was really studying him at time Tim Ferriss really changed the way I view time
Brodie Kern: And mechanics inside of business that were big.
Brodie Kern: Was a big breakthrough for a phase.
Brodie Kern: Another guy who really changed the way that I thought
Brodie Kern: About what was possible in my body will there’s two guys, it was a rich roll. Do you know who he is? He’s a, he’s an ultra runner and has an amazing podcast.
Brodie Kern: But I listened to rituals podcast with David Goggins
Rock Thomas: Oh yeah, I must have been smoking fire.
Brodie Kern: Oh, it was, it was gnarly, you know, and this was December of 2018 and then so I’m 511 to 20 like I’m not really built to run. But he made me crack open the hood from a mental toughness perspective and
Brodie Kern: I thought it was pretty tough right and so it wasn’t because David ran, but I was like what do I hate more than anything in the world.
Brodie Kern: And it was running. And so, um, you know, last late August I ended up running a 50 mile ultramarathon I ran 1000 miles and
Brodie Kern: And training for that was so much to be downloaded and learned from that experience.
Brodie Kern: Was really hard. You learn about yourself running
Rock Thomas: Yeah, yeah. I mean, the whole David Goggins experiences. I think is, is very profound for a lot of people because they blew the lid off of what
Rock Thomas: A lot of people think as possible and so many people live from only comfort and doing what they feel like doing and they live that mediocre life. So listen, we could talk all day long. I’m really
Rock Thomas: really enamored with your mission. It’s very much in alignment with what I think the world needs today, which is people that are giving people a new blueprint.
Rock Thomas: New spiritual code to live from because the one that’s downloaded from society, quite frankly, needs to be updated and you’re in that process. So kudos to you. How can people get in touch with you, man.
Brodie Kern: Best place to hit me up on Instagram, you know, app roadie current. I’m sure you’ll. I’m sure you’ll link it but you know that’s where, that’s where I built my following and built my core base. I’m very, very involved. I’m not someone who is hard to approach.
Brodie Kern: Just hit me up. You know what I mean, at any level that I can serve someone, even if it is in, you know, a brief conversation or just having someone share their story with me because they can’t share it with anyone else I’m there to listen to.
Rock Thomas: I appreciate you. You’ve done some good work. I can see that it’s congruent. It’s not just surface level. So congratulations and let me remind the people for the I Am podcast that the words that follow. I am following you. So how would you describe yourself today?
Brodie Kern: Today, that is a very interesting question.
Brodie Kern: I describe myself as
Brodie Kern: Someone who has, you know, been lucky enough to become a conduit for something much greater than myself. I’m simply a leader carrying a message.
Brodie Kern: That I truly believe matters. You know, I’m also
Brodie Kern: A very, very, very care about the way I show up in the world. I like to show up powerfully in my business in the way that other see me in the way that I show up in my family, you know, I’m
Brodie Kern: Just about to come up on my two year anniversary wedding anniversary. I have an 18 month old son at home. And so, you know, I’m a young guy who is on a spiritual path.
Rock Thomas: How would you describe yourself as a father.
Brodie Kern: Man at this face. I’m sure you have kids.
Brodie Kern: Three. It is
Brodie Kern: It is such insane thing to even be a part of, um,
Brodie Kern: I know what I am trying to work towards
Brodie Kern: But I describe myself as President.
Brodie Kern: Which I think at this point is all I can ask for now.
Rock Thomas: So I asked you, specifically as we wrap this up because I want to remind people that oftentimes we don’t really get clear on who we are in the different roles of our life and we have different roles: husband , son , father, brother.
Rock Thomas: Businessman and it’s really valuable as an exercise that people are willing to write out a couple of keywords even just three right to say I am a present caring loving father
Rock Thomas: Like that’s better than going. Boy, I’m a good guy.
Brodie Kern: That does not use it mildly, it
Rock Thomas: Right. Does it give you guard rails of behavior, right. So, I invite everybody that’s listening.
Rock Thomas: To follow this beautiful soul Brodie who’s done some work on himself and his proof that you too can become whatever you want and become a conduit for a force for good. So thank you so much. Brodie
Brodie Kern: Absolutely. Pleasure to be here.
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